The
MM Interview with Jack Fronk
January, 2006
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(View
Intro Video Clip)My name is Jack Fronk. I'm sixty-nine
years old, and I'm basically a guitar player. I also
play Native American flute. I've been playing all
my life, which probably means I've been playing some
fifty-five, almost sixty years. I've always been playing
music.
History
I have been playing more or less continuously, but
I did take a break. After the sixties in San Francisco,
where I played rock and roll, and lived with the Family
Dog, and lived in communes, I decided it was time
to leave San Francisco and I moved to Vermont. Before
leaving San Francisco, I traded my electric guitar
for an old Gibson, so for the next ten years, pretty
much wood-shedded in Vermont playing acoustic guitar.
Influences (View
Influences Video Clip)
As a guitar player, I think my earliest influences
were really the Count Basie band, and also the chant.
I'm a chant master. I spent the first ten years of
my musical career with the Gregorian chant, teaching
chant, having a chanting choir, and working in manuscripts,
so that background came into my musical playing. When
I played rock and roll, it was heavily influenced
by the chant, and by the saxophone, and rhythm section
of the Count Basie orchestra. How does Gregorian Chant
relate to rock and roll? One of the things about chant
is that it doesn't have a meter. It's not four/four
time, it's not three/four time, it's groupings of
notes; five notes, four notes, three notes, to build
melodic lines. So it fits right across a rhythm section,
but gives the solo line a real soaring, melodic quality
that fits right in. Especially during the sixties,
it just blended in very well.
Equipment
Well, I'll tell you a little story about my equipment.
When I was (in the sixties) living at the Family Dog,
and working at San Francisco State College at the
time, my buddy, who lived with us as a band member,
was a sound engineer. His name was Charlie Butten,
and he had done the initial sound equipment for the
Rolling Stones when they came through the country.
He also built Eric Clapton's equipment; those Marshall
amps were actually Charlie Butten's amps. He lived
with us and he built our equipment. Sometimes, we
didn't have a lot of money, so what was our sound
system at home for playing records, he would rewire
it on Saturday nights and we would take them to the
clubs, and we got home before he went to bed and went
to sleep, he would put them back together as our phonograph
system. That equipment got bigger and bigger and bigger,
to the point where we built a club out in the Mission
called Rock Garden. The stage was a fifteen foot bass
speaker, with coils that actually blasted right out
onto the dance floor. We had towers of amplifiers,
and when we played concerts that were out of doors,
you could hear that band clean across the city. But
that was all custom built stuff. I personally right
now have an amp that was built probably in the sixties.
It's an all-tube amp, probably weighs around 100 pounds,
and I wish to hell I had a lighter amp, but that's
what I use. (Two weeks after this interview, Jack
bought a lighter amp).
(View
Charlie Butten Video Clip) We were talking about
Charlie Butten, who built these amps. Whenever we
traveled around the country, if Cream showed up, we
would have to sit behind stage, because they loved
to have Charlie on set while they were playing. The
thing about Charlie was, he didn't like rock and roll;
he always put earplugs on. We built those amps, testing
them with the Boston Pops Symphony Orchestra. We played
through those Cream amps when they weren't using them.
My job was to talk to Eric (Clapton) and to get the
type of sound he wanted to get out of those amps.
I would translate that into sine waves and drawings,
and then Charlie, who was pretty much mono-directed,
just did amplifiers, just did sound systems. He had
his floor covered with diodes, and he would sit in
the middle of the floor with stacks of Pepsi and cigarettes,
and would put these things together. And because he
had no real formal knowledge, or way to chart these
out, and he was afraid that people would steal his
ideas; he used to finish these little connections,
and he would dip them in plastic, and then he'd wire
them into the system, so no one could steal his thoughts.
He built me an amp, one that I used quite a bit, that
the sound went through the wires, and went through
a light bulb, right through the filament, and out
the other side down into the speakers. That was a
real tube amp. The interesting thing about Charlie
was that, apart from us using him in rock and roll,
he really did not have a professional career, and
the last I heard of him he was repairing sound systems
for the school district down in San Jose.
We were talking about CD's. I copy a lot of CD's just
wherever I hear them. The three groups that I play
the most, I would say, is Luther Alison, you know,
you got me; I'm a sixty-nine year-old man, I cannot
remember names. Who was that other one, I had it a
minute ago.
Talking about equipment, and digital equipment, I
have never really used much digital equipment. I don't
like pedal effects, I don't like the noise they create,
or the distancing I feel from the sound. I like immediate
sounds when I hit a note. I like sound immediately
through my amp. I do use a volume control pedal so
that I can get a little more volume when I switch
to lead lines and cut it back when I have to do the
rhythm section but I don't use any pedal fix. I like
a solid amp and I like really good pick-ups on my
guitars. My guitars have top-of-the-line pick-ups
and that's where the sound comes from.
(View
The Music Video Clip)The Music:
My early guitar style was sort of unique in the sense
that I didn't learn it from anybody; I just sort of
developed it as I went along. I spent an awful lot
of time at the ocean. I was playing with a rock band
that was very successful, and it was almost abstract
in the sense that I brought a lot of chant and modal
music into a Southern rock band. There was a combination
of unusual rhythms and unusual harmonies and long
melodic lines. I developed this style of playing at
the ocean. I'll show you how that went.
It's something you can hear above the crashing waves.
See, there are a lot of doubles and triples and unison
notes that not only I, but people around me could
hear, and people would be picking up driftwood, tin
cans, bottles. It was always fun, we'd form a circle,
gather some driftwood and start a fire, sit around
and spend an afternoon playing music in that way,
a sort of chant, a new age tribal  it was a lot of
tribal music, a lot of tribal gathering.
Over the years, more recently, I've had a wonderful
teacher, Carrie Yates, who has been helping me learn
a lot of the real technical side of the blues; the
chords, the patterns, to which I could apply my already
existing sense of melodic line and structure. That's
been a way that's melded together.
Before I got into the blues, however, when I got back
to California, I enrolled in a course at Contra Costa
College taught by Wayne Organ on digital computer
Pro Tools. Although Pro Tools is ordinarily used to
mix input live sound, you can also actually write
with a pen, you can score music, write directly into
it. If it's not recorded, you can write music, and
you can score it as you go along. And you can use
samples, and you can hear it as you write. As I was
writing music, I could make it the sound of a violin,
or synthesizer, or piano or whatever instrument I
wanted. So I got into writing long, extended pieces,
with lots of different tracks; strings, synthesizers,
woodwinds, and so forth, and developed my suite called
'Across the Years.' Now that I'm retiring, for the
third or fourth time, and moving to the mountains,
my goal is to get back and start carrying forward
that music composition I used to do. We have a nice
little blues band here in the Bay area, and I'm going
to be teaching blues guitar at View College in Chico.
I hope to put together a blues band up there, and
play around some of the clubs, and maybe Shakey's
pizza, hit the big time, and do my own recording at
the same time, and develop my own CD's. So that's
my plan for the future; it's a sort of culmination
of two lines of thought; the classic, modal, ancient
music, and the contemporary urban blues.
My piece, 'Across the Years' is the story of a love
affair. It's in four movements. The first movement
is the girl in blue jeans, where I first met the love
of my life, then a section, the good years together,
the third section is the winter of discontent, which
is self-explanatory, and the fourth is little eyes
full of wonder, which is about my little granddaughter,
when she was born. The third piece, which by the way
is available on cdbaby.com, I wrote visually instead
of listening. I decided to try a piece without a key,
in twelve tones, and I wrote the thing out so it visually
made patterns. When I played it back, it actually
made sense musically as well as visually, although
it's totally atonal, it's really quite an exceptional
piece of music. Shortly after I finished that, I decided
I wanted to develop my own CD cover and CD labels
so I took Adobe Photoshop course and did a lot of
art. I have a master's degree in art from San Francisco
State College, so I have this whole side of me that
worked professionally in art. I was a professional
batik person, sold my clothes, Wearable Art, at Macy's
in Union Square, and did a lot of things in the art
world. I have a web site, actually, for my art, which
is velvetlight.com. If you want to check out my photography
and graphic art, you can do so there.
I have some nice equipment. I have three principle
guitars; a Fender, a Strat which I got recently, and
a couple of very old instruments. I have a Danelectro,
1949, and a 1950 Gibson. Both of which are in mint
condition. After having them knocked around quite
a bit, I've had them restored. I have this Gibson
amp here, which is a 1945, 46 back when they made
them by hand. Everything was wound by hand, and a
Danelectro 1949 twin reverber (like a Fender twin
reverb amp- ed.) Back in the days when we had the
band, Charlie Butten was making our equipment. He
developed the sound equipment that we used on stage.
I had a little fun with each amp that he experimented
with. Those are the pieces that I've been using. I
also play other instruments. I have a collection of
Native American flutes, which I play and perform on
the flute circles, and drum circles that occur around
the Bay area. And I studied a bit of ancient Persian
music, so I have a santour and play that on the bamboo
flute as well. I like to combine really ancient music
along with the blues into my repertoire. They go together
very well.

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